tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5860183491020197486.post4231198808517427332..comments2023-05-20T07:31:46.794-07:00Comments on Tower of Reason: The CO2 numbers don't add upScruffy Sciroccohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08052356705555455175noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5860183491020197486.post-25078648961391607292019-09-17T18:12:08.088-07:002019-09-17T18:12:08.088-07:001) Yes, for the purpose of this discussion, I am c...1) Yes, for the purpose of this discussion, I am considering the model as a static system. The point is to show that water temperature drives air temperature far more than vice versa. A static system is a worst case scenario, as any of the dynamic factors primarily remove heat from the water, making my argument even stronger.<br /><br />2) Yes, as I pointed out that works in favor of the argument that the air temperature heats the water.<br /><br />3) Not damning at all. The atmosphere does transmit the bulk of the Sun's heating energy to the ocean without heating up. This is exactly the point. The Anthropogenic Global Warming caim is that the additional CO2 in the atmosphere is causing the ocean to warm. This CO2 is not a passive conduit of heat, the mechanism is supposedly that the CO2 absorbs the radiated heat from the surface of the Earth in its absorption spectrum (14.5 -15.5µm wavelength), which heats up the atmosphere, which in turn heats up the ocean. The point of this discussion is that any such heating is negligible compared to the normal heating of the ocean by direct sunlight. There's simply not enough air - which has a small heat capacity - and far too much water - which has a large heat capacity - for any sort of significant heat transfer from the air to the oceans.Scruffy Sciroccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08052356705555455175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5860183491020197486.post-54817771566004984472017-07-03T15:50:04.806-07:002017-07-03T15:50:04.806-07:00I have read your sketch of numbers on your blog an...I have read your sketch of numbers on your blog and have to point out one thing: First of all, you are considering your whole model as a static system. As you even point out in your blog post, these effects are cumulative, so I'm surprised that even saying that you used a static model. Secondly, the water cycle, which feeds to and from the ocean, interacts with more of the surface of the earth than just the surface of the ocean. Third, and I believe most damningly to your argument, the atmosphere doesn't have to heat up in order to transmit thermal energy to the ocean (The ocean can absorb reflected IR directly)A civic-minded engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16311403345511724231noreply@blogger.com